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Why could only Aloy unlock the cradle doors?

Why could only Aloy unlock the cradle doors?

zehel_schreiber

that door was made to be open from the inside to aloud humans to leave and never to return them using the cauldrons to recreate society again, in the data from the robots you can see how they just free the teens from the facility never to return. because it was never mean to be open again from the outside again unless youre a alpha prime aka elizabeth sobeck, thats why GAIA decided to reinstate her creator, but HADES use a virus to corrupt the data from the door to avoid all this, you can check this in GAIA dying plea.


EkseVib

The teens were supposed to still be learning from APOLLO, and once they did that it's likely they would've gone out, collected food and water and returned to the facility to learn more from APOLLO, but of course because of Faro that didn't happen.


zehel_schreiber

the cradle servitor said to them that wasnt any food inside the cradle and they most leave, they asked we can return father? if we are cold or hungry? and the servitor said, no, you most be BRAVE, but yes elon musk... I mean ted faro was responsible for the sealing of the learning facilities after he erase the info from apollo.


Darkdragoon324

There was no reason to return since all the resources were gone and they couldn't access Apollo because Ted borked everything up, but there's no way Apollo was meant to be abandoned once the first generation was finished with school. They likely would have eventually learned how to run the facility and re-program the doors for their own use once they were old enough. The datapoints indicate that there were still viable embryos in storage after the first generation was gestated, they were probably meant to activate the rest of them to help create the second generation on top of whatever new people occurred naturally.


Darkdragoon324

I doubt they were intended to abandon it forever, surely the generations that came after the first were also supposed to learn from Apollo instead of whatever inferior second-hand education the humans would have provided. At the very least, they would have wanted them to have access to Apollo forever, they didn't create a massive data base of human history, culture and knowledge just for a one and done session with the first generation.


Atiggerx33

It was assumed that future generations would learn from their parents. Maybe after accessing APOLLO (if APOLLO hadn't been destroyed) they were supposed to be able to take focuses with them. Aloy finds a focus in some ruins that still works, they clearly have an incredibly long shelf life. Humanity was probably supposed to be able to take a shit ton of focuses with them when they finally set out; but since they could never access the APOLLO learning area the never even got the type of focus Aloy had, let alone the ones with all of APOLLO on them that were probably built to be even more resilient.


Darkdragoon324

It makes zero sense that APOLLO wouldn't be intended as a permanent resource. That's be like if only one generation of people was allowed to look at Wikipedia and then they just memorized shit and taught whatever they successfully remembered. And not every parent would be able to teach effectively, teaching is a skill that not everyone grasps. Just look at homeschooling in the US, sure maybe some parents are competent but mostly the kids are just academically crippled for life. There's literally no reason for the cradle facilities to just be abandoned forever in the original plan and APOLLO not used to keep teaching every generation. It's an archive. It's meant to be a permanent resource.


Atiggerx33

Remember APOLLO was essentially just supposed to be focuses. Kids would be able to interact with essentially a full virtual classroom using it. The original kids were supposed to learn in the APOLLO facility; and then leave forever. I assume they were supposed to take the focuses with them. I imagine there were hundreds of thousands of focuses in a storage area that were supposed to get taken with the released humans. When your kid was ready to start school you'd gather the munchkins in a group, plop a focus on their head, and they'd be learning the exact same way their parents had, just outside the facility. The education was likely meant to be a permanent resource, that resource just wouldn't be in the cradle after the first generation since the game flat out states the cradles were supposed to raise the first generation and then seal up forever.


zehel_schreiber

Ted effeing faro erased APOLLO sadly so no, all the info that those teens had was given by them via the servitors taht raise them, it was very basic simialr to kinder kids nothing else, which explain the costumes of the tribus in the game, specially the banuk and nora, the first generation was the one to learn everything from APOLLO and them use cauldrons to recreate everything so nexts gens can learn more and more from the focus and the info inside of this things until they can create the society of the old ones all over again, but effeing Ted faro effeing the world again. (sorry for the broken english)


Darkdragoon324

The door to the learning place, or the main door? The door to the school was probably programmed to open on the first day of school, but got borked up when Freaking Ted Faro murdered all of human history and knowledge and remained closed forever. Then they probably would have eventually learned through Apollo how to run the facility and open the main door once they were ready.


EkseVib

I'm referring to the main door, that triangle looking one that needed Aloy's genetic code to open.


volligtoll

The alphas still had years of work that was never completed thanks to faro. How the new humans would operate that stuff was probably part of it.


SakanaSanchez

I’d speculate it’s because Faro didn’t want anyone getting back in to reverse engineer any tech they might find. Gaia says she has directives not to interact with the humans, which (probably?) wasn’t part of the original plan given they were supposed to help with the terraforming. It would follow that because Faro thinks all the old one knowledge is a curse, he wanted humans out of the cradles ASAP and they should never return.


EkseVib

That's a good suggestion, but wouldn't they have just learned to reverse engineer the machines and gone from there? Looks like Faro didn't think that out.


EkseVib

The New Humans are far more advanced for the time they've had compared to the same amount of time we've had, soon enough they will get to 2060s level of technological development.


SakanaSanchez

Tech wise, they're pretty far behind. I'd put them at bronze age level tech. The most impressive thing they've built is the Meridian elevator. Their knowledge of chemistry is probably pretty crummy. Having all the machine tech around more or less amounts to if you want better weapons, you hunt more machines. Don't need to learn about gun powder if you can snag a pulse cannon off a ravager or use blaze for bombs. Metallurgy is debatable given they have access to high quality metal, but whether or not they've figured out alloys and tempering is unknown. Their concept of animal husbandry seems pretty limited given their largest animal is a boar. They didn't seem to have a printing press. Most of their roads are unpaved. It doesn't look like they've figured out how to hijack machine engines/whatever they use for muscles to do labor. Medicine I imagine is all over the place given the state of the world and most of the diseases were probably wiped out with not much reason for Gaia to re-introduce them. Tech COULD advance pretty quickly now that focuses are becoming more prevalent and someone could stumble on something major like a digitized chemistry book, but one of the big missing facilities in Meridian was a library. They've had 700 years to figure out the world, and Aloy and Sylens are seemingly the first people to actually look in to the old ones and dig up some primary documents.


EkseVib

True, if they want to grow they are going to have to take the initiative and uncover the history behind the old ones or even just actively make advancements in ANYTHING else except weapons (chemistry, biology, renewable and non-renewable resources) maybe if Aloy could find someway to bring APOLLO online they could advance at an extreme rate. If APOLLO can't be recovered (which is highly unlikely, it probably can be recovered) they don't necessarily need it since the other sub-functions most likely have knowledge on the same level of HADES or higher, however APOLLO would be preferred for obvious reasons. (Oh I wish Faro suffered in his last days)


EkseVib

Welp, it took them 700 years to create an elevator despite the fact they have machines and structures just laying (or in the machines case, walking) that they can reverse engineer, pretty disappointing.


Comfortable_Card_146

I think that once the humans had left fhe facility GAIA would have shit the whole place down, there wouldn't be any need to go back in there as the humans can reproduce themselves without the need for it


EkseVib

Wouldn't it make more sense that if they could learn from APOLLO they'd come back after collecting food and water? I'm sure they would've learned how to reprogram the doors to open for them before leaving however


Comfortable_Card_146

If you watch the hologram.playbavks with the kids at the end the "caretaker" tell them that they have to leave the facility and won't be able to come back because they have learned all they can. Would make sense it'd be the same for all the facilities. Why bring back humanity if they're gonna be relying on these ancient places just to survive when they should be able to go out into the world and fend for themselves. There wouldn't be any new development because they'd so heavily reliant on tech from the past


EkseVib

They likely wouldn't have told them to leave IF APOLLO was online (I refuse to believe it was deleted) they still would've had much to learn before leaving, but not before learning how to open the door from the outside so that the 2nd generation could enter the facility for learning or just pure curiosity. No I don't mean enter the cradle for survival, I mean entering it for learning purposes if APOLLO was still there.


AlcatorSK

Your guess is as good as mine. I'd like to think that Lesson 999 in Apollo was "How to add access scan for new humans to the Eleuthia door" - In which case, people would be able to manage the access system themselves. But because they never learned this ability, and also never gained their focuses, this didn't happen. The Servitors might have not even known about such plan, because they didn't need to know about it, so once the young ones left the Cradle, it closed and couldn't be opened by them again.


dirtyuncleron69

My interpretation is that HADES locked the door but couldn’t lock out the master override which required sobek, so he corrupted the password (DNA)


notthatjaded

Joining the speculation: Originally, they weren't going to just be kicked out. I would assume part of their 'schooling' at some point as they grew up would have been intended to involve excursions outside before they were let loose on their own. But Apollo was broken and the servitors managing the place were not intelligent enough to manage something like that so they did what they were programmed to do. Look after small children even after those small children weren't small anymore. I assume the servitors didn't make the decision to send the kids out for good, either. I suspect either Gaia or Eleuthia herself was the one to do that. Their best chance for survival was not to return to a space where there was nothing that could help them grow. Their best chance was to be found in the open world. It's not like they didn't have any shelter as obviously they still had access to the rest of the cave and could live in safety from the elements as they found their way in the world without having to learn right away how to build a house just to survive winter. So the door was locked. But Alphas have access to everything (effectively) and I see no reason for any of the AIs to have removed them from the access list even after they were dead. Gaia just managed to exploit this loophole by having Aloy brought into the world. So anyway I imagine in a world where Zero Dawn had worked as intended I expect that the new generation would *not* have been locked out of their Cradle facility for good because an important part of their education would have involved showing them how to do practical things outdoors that couldn't be done inside the Cradle facility. I suspect there could have been another set of servitors that would have come online to see to the kids as they got older and could provide that outdoor supervision as needed. Eventually, as others have suggested, the humans would have had enough knowledge and experience to manage the facility on their own and there would have been no need to lock the door the way that it was in the game.


kinoumenthe

Because Aloy is a clone of Elisabeth who was the head of Project Zero Dawn, thus authorized to open any ZD installation. I'm honestly very curious as to how you could have missed that…


kinoumenthe

Further, we don't actually know that new humans were supposed to re-enter the cradles, but in the event they were, I strongly doubt they wouldn't have taken control of the cradle facilities once they were taught enough to do so, which they were supposed to, since they were supposed to take over some stuff like animal reintroduction.


EkseVib

I think we know enough to make the assumption that humans were suppose to re-enter the facility, wether it was to learn from APOLLO or just take control of the facility's all together.


EkseVib

Yes I understand that, what I mean is why could only the people working on Zero Dawn open the door? What if the new humans wished to enter the cradle facility again after leaving to collect resources and scout their environment? It's been show that none of the new humans could open the door only Aloy because she is Elisabets clone. This should've been a serious concern for the team since if only they could enter than how would the 2nd Generation of new humans enter to learn from APOLLO.


kinoumenthe

Because, once again, once humans take control of Zero Dawn, they're perfectly free to alter the protocols for opening doors. I mean… it's like changing the password or a lock on something once you own it. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept, here.


stratosfearinggas

There's a lot of what-ifs. There was the whole room of Zero Dawn heads that Ted killed. It's possible none of them put their own DNA on record. More likely, GAIA cloned Elizabeth Sobek because she spent the most time with her and Elizabeth had Alpha access. The new humans were probably grown from embryos of ordinary people. They did not have the Alpha access needed to open the Cradle doors. As for why new humans were not allowed in the Cradle, it was probably for their own good. The builders of Zero Dawn probably felt the new humans wouldn't have the knowledge necessary to not contaminate anything while GAIA is a self learning AI who is fully capable of running everything.


EkseVib

There is always the possibility the parents would teach the children of what they learnt from APOLLO, but trying to memorize all of that would've been a daunting task and it would've been much easier to just take the kids into the cradle facility and learn from it directly.


CloneCommando559

Does someone remember why Aloy wasn't able to go into Eleuthia-9 at the start of the game?


EkseVib

The Alpha registry was corrupted if memory serves me right


notthatjaded

Yes, one of the things she did along the way was fix that problem.


zaidi95

What I think is, the servitors must be connected to the main computer controlling the doors (maybe GAIA) but when there was no food left, the AI made a decision to shut down the cradle facility. Aloy was able to open it because she could override any decision made by the AI because of her genetic make-up.